Bobby Jindal has some serious handicaps that will hold him back in any run for the presidency, especially if he runs against Sarah Palin. First, he is not charismatic, meaning he does not energize the Republican base. Sarah Palin drew wildly enthusiastic crowds of 20,000-30,000 people. Does anybody honestly believe that Jindal has this kind of charisma? Second, Bobby Jindal is simply unattractive and looks like the wimpy kid that was constantly beat up in school. Sarah Palin is a highly attractive woman. This may sound superficial but in today’s elections looks play a major factor in many people votes, this is just being honest. Third, Jindal in my opinion simply lacks both the fierce debating skills and the political killing skills that Sarah Palin possesses. A fourth problem for Jindal is that the Republican base is wildly attached to Sarah Palin and it is going to be awfully difficult for him to break this bond between Sarah Palin and American conservatives. If he attacks her the base may very well turn on him as a result, so Jindal is playing with fire when it comes to dealing with Sarah Palin and the conservative base.
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Irrespective of whether it's the PBS clowns, or the Townhall chatters, the feedback is almost exclusively about style. True, that's what most voters seem to focus upon. We have President Style Man. How is he doing, as in actually doing anything, other than talking. While the bully pulpit is important, it's not all there is, Peggy Lee. |
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We conservatives simply have trouble picking. McCain was not then, and not now a conservative...and was a poor candidate...and Jindal is worse.
For a party to pick people like these, it truly shows the lack of leadership at the top....Hlep Mr. Steele!!!
Amanda..you be right on!!! |
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"Bobby Jindal is simply unattractive and looks like the wimpy kid that was constantly beat up in school."
He was, and that was his senior year at an Ivy League school. The football jocks used to stuff him into a locker, and Brown doesn't even have lockers. |
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I wasn't able to hear Jindal's response tonight, but what I have seen so far in other venues I like. Sarah Palin may be flashier, but she has got some serious baggage and the MSM has already largely discredited her in the public's eyes because of it. She won't have the wide appeal that is needed to oust Chairman Obama in a national election. We need to promote a conservative candidate that is starting with a clean slate. Jindal is steady and articulate in interviews. We don't want to be like the liberals and elevate style over substance. |
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Jindal's response was pathetic. Great words, terrible delivery. Who would ever want to vote for such a wimp? If he goes up against Sarah, he won't make it out of the Iowa primary. Once Sarah is free from the McCain crowd she will really take off. Let's face the facts...we have to put forth a Leader, not a dinky dweeb. I was really looking forward to seeing Jindal in action tonight. Does anyone really believe that Palin could not have done better...with a better message and far better delivery? |
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what a disappointment. hurts to say but he just flat out sucked. |
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the water. As a speaker, he can't be beat. Jindal is better than he came of tonight. Huckabee would have done a better job than Jindal did and he's a good Christian Conservative, but has a lot of baggage, and Palin, although I love her, is too girly. Knowlegable but not forceful. Newt Gingrich really needs to run in 2012. He has more expereince and savvy than anyone else, and is a good conservative to boot. |
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From my stand point, being the first time I saw Bobby Jindal speak, he was on message.
Lighten up! He had to represent in 12 minutes, all of the GOP's message, while still sounding upbeat and positive. To that end, I think he brought across a feeling of by partisan unity in regards to his own state. He intoduced himself as the son of an immigrant family who has made it, that to me was impressive. His state turned down Govenmental funding, another great thing. Although he is no Reagan yet, give him a chance! The audio from my end was terrible!! That was not Jindal's fault. Whoever set the stage for him should be fired! |
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How long do you think it will it take for Style to solve our problems?
Bobby Jindal has created real solutions, not Hope-nosis. His record is out there for your perusal...compare it with President Obama's.
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Can someone explain why GOP politicians and Neoconservative commentators insist on inventing examples of "pork". The oft repeated fabrication of "8 Billion for a Mag-Lev high speed train between Las Vegas and Disneyland", when the reality is available to anyone that can use The Google.
A quick search of section 501 of Obama's Stim package yields not a word about Las Vegas or Disnyland or Mag-Lev. Maybe it is Disnyland of Jindal's mind where this bit of fiction exists. |
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Amanda, we need a persuasive person to explain our vision for america. A person who is eloquent and not afraid to smile or use humour. I think avoiding Obama or not criticizing him is not the way to go. We need a person who can directly say 'the president discussed the need for americans to avoid unnecessary debt for the future, but his actions are leading us in a direction where our children will inherit 11.9 trillion in debt'. This is not good leadership and we need to hold him accountable. We need a person who can say 'the president hired a man who did not pay taxes to lead us into economic recovery, and this is why people at home and abroad are losing confidence in his economic policies'.
WE NEED A PERSON WHO CAN DIRECTLY ATTACK OBAMA'S CREDIBILITY BASED ON HIS DECISION JUST LIKE HE ATTACKED BUSH DIRECTLY.
Where is that person? I could run but am not qualified under the 'being born in america' rules. |
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Was nervous and it showed. The delivery at the beginning was awful, got better at the end. |
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This was not the venue to attack Obama; it was not a campaign speech. He offered a positive alternative to the liberals' plan. He may not be flahy, but Jindal was likeable and his personal story was compelling, as Matt Lewis said. This man graduated from an Ivy-League school (Brown) and was accepted to both Harvard Medical and Yale Law Schools. Yet, he doesn't come across as aloof and arrogant like Chairman Obama. |
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"Bobby Jindal is simply unattractive and looks like the wimpy kid that was constantly beat up in school. Sarah Palin is a highly attractive woman. This may sound superficial but in today’s elections looks play a major factor in many people votes, this is just being honest."
Congrats on writing one of the dumbest things ever posted on townhall. And just when I thought you're complete lunacy had stopped you take an extra step...
"Third, Jindal in my opinion simply lacks both the fierce debating skills and the political killing skills that Sarah Palin possesses. "
Debating skills? You mean the ones where Joe biden of all people made her look like an out of work village idiot?
the base's blind love for thos woman is EXACTLY LIKE OBAMA WORSHIP. I guess she is the conservative Palin-messiah virgin mary figure for desperate conservative men like old Allen. |
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"He offered a positive alternative to the liberals' plan."
You mean in his speech tonight? Where did he do that? |
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I am just curious do you ever get tired of being the village idiot? If you do not think that physical appearences matter in an election you are just mentally retarded. Every campaign manger and candidate knows this because it is as old as the Nixon-Kennedy debates back in 1960, Kennedy's looks helped him in both the debate and the election. What's the matter are you a tad bit ignorant of American history? As for Palin's debating skills, please she killed Biden in that debate. Biden made 46, yeah that's right 46 major gaffs in that debate which was covered up by your liberal press. Hey Frankie do me a favor and continue to underestimate Sarah Palin, we need more lefties like you. Oh and by the way I am not "old" but I am sure a hell of a lot smarter and wiser than you'll ever be! YEAH THAT'S RIGHT FRANK BRING ON, I'LL CONTINUE TO MOP THE FLOOR WITH YOU AS I ALWAYS DO! |
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The delivery was average but the substance is there. With Palin, I fear we have the reverse. We've got four long years to go before we elect the next president. The election of Obama was, in large part, a reaction to Bush. If Obama continues to renege on his lofty promises, Jindahl will be ready with a proven record of reform and fiscal responsibility. |
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Republicans place their hope in the american people, Democrats in congress place their hope in the federal government.
did you miss that statement?
I do agree, he was not persuasive. He should have followed that up with more specific examples that go beyond what his dad said. He tried using the Katrina rebuilding effort in LA but few americans can actually relate to that. What he needed to do was expand those LA rebuilding efforts/success stories into examples that most americans who are not direct victims of katrina can relate to.
Persuasion is important. |
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Persuasion consists of two things. First, prove that your opponent lacks credibility. This is a viatal part of persuading americans that our alternative is better. Obama's speech has not matched his decisions so far. Jindhal missed an opportunity to DIRECTLY call Obama on his contradictions especially on spending our children's future while saying we can't pass on debt to our children.
Second, persuade that our alternative is better if not superior to what the opponent is offering. Jindhal failed to do that. He should have gone further than saying 'we have a better plan' to saying 'why it is better in SPECIFIC terms i.e. education and parental choice vs. pouring more money into a system that is failing like Obama is proposing to do.
We must attack Obama DIRECTLY using his abysmal record - now that we have on. Jindhal should have discussed the issue of 'not torturing' and raising the issue of Obama's 'pardon' of the USS cole guy. These are the facts that we need to educate Obamaphiles about their messiah's lies. Obama's actions/decisions do not match his rheteric and we MUST CALL HIM ON IT DIRECTLY. Otherwise, we can just wait until 2016 because we can't win with this 'nice' approach of wanting obama to 'succeed' in the things we agree. Exactly what is in Obama's record that makes us want him to succeed? NOTHING! |
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"Republicans place their hope in the american people, Democrats in congress place their hope in the federal government."
You're claiming that that's "a positive alternative to the liberals' plan?"
It's not a plan at all, it's a refusal to come up with a plan. It's a refusal to government, a refusal to lead.
And it's not even true. Republicans increase the size and ubiquity of government far more than Democrats do. Have you been on another planet for the last eight years? |
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If you read the rest of my post (focus please!) I did say he failed to give examples beyond his accomplishments in LA based on katrina. He offered his experiences as 'the plan' for recovery in LA and at a national level. Perhaps you are unable to connect dots but here it is.
Jindal argued that when we trust americans and not government, they use their gifts to re-build a broken environment like they did in LA. He then proceeded to give examples of what they did in LA under his leadership. He then said that if the plan worked in LA, it could work at a national level i.e. putting the power back to the american people instead of government.
FYI - Bush was not a conservative except on social issues. If you look at his immigration policy and spending, he is a moderate/lefty based on his record. And, no conservative would defend his spending or his immigration policy. Do not confuse Bush with conservatives. We are not supportive of Bush bailouts any more than we support Obama bailouts.
Stay focused please! |
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Santelli and Jindal seem to know their base - the out of touch rightwing and the very people who helped get us into the economic nightmare we're in today. To view either man as a savior for the GOP is about as sad as touting Joe the Plumber as 'every man'. |
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She will have a hard time getting the independent vote. You can't win without the independent vote.
Maybe Jindal will get some speech delivery lessons. I like what he says. |
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I understand what you are saying about persuasion, but again this is not a campaign speech. Tonight was Jindal's introduction to the national arena and I think we may all be jumping the gun a bit in saying he is going to be the next GOP presidential candidate. I've heard him say in interviews, even in the last few days, that he wants to run for re-election in LA and finish the job he started. Of course, as late as January 2006 Obama was saying he wouldn't run for president so things may change in the next two years. It's still too early. He's got a much better chance than Palin.
I think it was a good strategy not to have one of the Congressional Republics give the response as the MSM has already characterized them as obstructionist for voting against the sitmulus. By having a conservative Republican governor respond they diffused some of the charges of politicking in D.C. that Chairman Obama himself criticized them for. We'll see...stay tuned. |
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February 25. 2005
I was born and spent 30 years living in a an apartment in Upper Manhattan way before gentrification came in. That neighborhood was such a demonstrative melting pot, that to this day I literally will approach anyone initially with true respect and friendly overture. I had to preface my remarks that way because my opinion is that Jindal has a facade problem. Remember Kennedy Nixon in 1960? I do and that election set the precedent for the appearance factor. I did not know where Bobby Jindal placed his heritage until a few hours ago. My point is simply connected to electability and nothing else. He just does not look like whatever our concept of a President is. Remember, good looks helped Kennedy and in the future maybe Mitt Romney and Sarah Palin. Jay R |
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Wasn't the sheriff Jindal citing in his 'story' a government official? But that aside, we've found that Jindal's 'story' doesn't quite jibe anyway. It seems he wasn't even in the area during Katrina having evacuated to Baton Rogue and not returning for days. Kind of looks like Bobby's an embellisher. |
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GOP Chairman Michael Steele was on Hannity tonight and pointed out a great point, "Barack Obama has spent $36 BILLION dollars a day since taking office."
Just think what $36 Billion adds up to:
- 1.5 billion dollars an hour
- 25 million dollars a minute
- 416 thousand dollars a second
Or to put it this way, he has had nearly six million seconds in office .... so under the spending of Barack Obama, we could have purchased a $100,000 house for more than 12 MILLION people in America since January 20th. That's more than New York City and Los Angeles COMBINED.
Change we can believe in.
THE GOP MUST GO AFTER OBAMA'S RECORD NOT RHETERIC.
Steele is getting my money and I am going to see him in CO. He get's it! Debunk Obama's rheteric with his record.....AND USE WORDS EVERY AMERICAN CAN UNDERSTAND. Here is where Jindhal falls short.
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"Stay focused please!"
The fuzziness isn't in my eyesight or mental state, it's in your perception of Jindal's "plan." There's no "there" there, no plan at all. You may think that condescension is a plan, but it isn't, not for him or for you.
I know that you wingnuts habitually boot people overboard when they make it too clear what your true governing style is, but George W. Bush was, is, and will always be a (compassionate) conservative. You supported him, you voted for him twice, you spoke up in favor of every single thing that he did. He's your guy, and you're his people; it's the wingnut DNA. And we're currently at Peak Wingnut. |
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Obama made up stories about
1. an uncle 'saving' jews in a nazi camp.
2. his father coming over on a JFK scholarship program - NOT! because his dad was here before JFK was president.
3. his pastor/mentor being misquoted and snippets being used to misguide americans - NOT! because the good reverend actually confirmed for himself that he meant what he said and said what he meant and that obama was a 'politician who will say anything to get elected'. I believed wright and still do.
4. he was born in HI - NOT! Who hires 3 top lawyers to stop anyone from seeing his long version of a birth certificate if INDEED HE WAS BORN IN THE USA? Just show us the long version fo the birth certificate - we are still waiting.
If you want to discuss LIES AND COVERUPS - you don't want Obama's record revealed, it surpasses them all. Even Hillary's bosnia sniper fire does not come close to obama's chicago nonsense....let's not forget the ...... promise to end war in Iraq in 6 months, and not employ lobbysts (so far, he has 17 of them working for him, I guess they have experience LOL!). And what's with the tax cheat list? 6 already? And that is what we already know. We won't even mention his 'distinguished' AG calling americans cowards. Class act I tell you, it's all a class act with Obamacide!
KEEP THE CHANGE DUDE!
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I connected the dots for you so that you can try to have a conversation beyond Blame Bush and Hate Republicans. Like I explained to you - Jindhal used his LA experience with rebuilding after Katrina to link it to rebuilding at a national level. Stay focused please!
You must still be dealing with anger issues that made you vote for Obama. hey, take a breather and either engage in conversation or take insults to moveon.org. I hear they like it rough over there........
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February 25, 2009
Kennedy-Nixon in 1960 set the precedent for appearance as an electability factor. In my view, Jindal, while an exemplary prospect on paper, does not have the appearance that Mitt Romney, Sarah Palin and our leader Barack Obama all capitalized on to among other favorable qualities attain their level of success. Our voters in great numbers do vote based on appearance especially when they are not schooled in higher issues both domestic and globally. My comment only relates to potential electability and nothing else.
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You don't believe in taking prisoners do you?
Keep it up..no need to add anything.
Love your posts. |
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Only if I can torture them and keep them in Gitmo indefinitely - LOL!
I migrated to this country 18 years ago because I believed then as I do now that the american system works. Call me nuts but changing what has worked for me and multiple other immigrants over 100 years seems foolish:)
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After listening to Obama retell and revise history for us, for way too long, and hearing nothing more than a campaign speech, my husband left the room in disgust. Later he walked through the room, looked at the TV and said "Now what is this guy selling?"
Jindal will not be a presidental nominee, not in 4 years or 8. He is lacking in appeal. Define that as you will, but he's lacking. |
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ZERO ZERO GOP SPINE
ZERO ZERO GOP talent
ZERO ZERO ZERO ! He does not have a clue !
GOP needs to VET their spokesmen / women
Next time put up a RICK Santelli !
This nation is filled with useful idiots
The GOP is filled with useful idiots!
McCain: Palin: Arnold, and the list goes on and on and on: |
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Next time: USE ROMNEY OR RICK Santelli
I can do better than this dud
I can do better than palin who sounds illiterate
I can do better than Carley who is brilliant but just does not "GET IT"
I can do better than McCain the democrats useful idiot:
The "CONSERVATIVES" forced into the GOP
NEED a spokesman who can complete a sentence:
SHOW power: Convince: SELL and Tell the facts:
WE need a daily "RICKY"S RANT"
We need a daily ROMNEY powerful speaker: |
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I just saw his last off the wall post where according to him Joe Biden made 47 gaffes during his Palin debate but you won't hear about them because they were covered up by the liberal Press.
1. 47 gaffes? you are an indiot and certainly can't prove than even in your fantasy world.
EVery time I think you hit the bottom of the crazy barrel you surpise me by managing to sink eve lower.
2. You have yet to make a dent in a single argument-yours is the worst kind of wishful thinking derived from fantasy not fact.
3. And no you must be very old because certainly it takes along time for somebody to become as ignorant as yourself. |
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your the blowhard idiot troll around here, biden gaffes everytime he opens his mouth. Biden as the stimulas czar, thats a joke in itself, beause the POS cant even count three words, and then your boyfriend obama screws up with how many states we have. And BTW Obambi, who invented the Automobile? you liberals like taking credit for things that are not due, kinda like al gore and the Internet. stupid MF |
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The content was predictable. Everyone knew what needed to be said and what was going to be said. It needed to be presented in a manner that drove the point home.
Jindal failed. His delivery was like a weak handshake. It was uninspiring.
If this is the R's best foot forward then they've got big trouble. |
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Liberal trolls are paid to blast the talking points about Jindal all over the internet. They wouldn't care if they weren't so scared of him. |
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You go, girl--you're on fire! As for Jindal's speech, the content was there, delivery needs improvement. Elocution can be learned--we are reminded every time The One opens his mouth. |
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Is Mike Huckabee...the sooner the republican party realizes that and gets behind him, the better off the republican party and this country will be. |
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I guess it comes down to generational differences. Most of you recently birthed are impressed by image, which explains Obama's election. Those of us who attended public schools prior to their hijacking are interested in content.
Bobby Jindal laid out a powerful conservative message. Period. Palin/Jindal, 2012. |
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... not to repeat THE major mistake of the last presidential primary season. For over a year, conservatives engaged in a process of carefully weighing all the pros and cons of each Republican primary candidate. Did "A" take the right position on school vouchers? Was B 100% a pro-life candidate? Was "C" conservative enough on fiscal issues?
But of course, the only thing that mattered in the end was the one thing we lost sight of: who could inspire the voters. While we were happily engaged in filleting our candidates to the bone, Obama was making waves and racking up primary gains.
I personally felt a huge sense of relief as I listened to Gov. Jindahl's remarks. As a "person of color" who is overseeing the recovery of the state of Louisiana, he was uniquely qualified to deliver the rebuttal to Obama's speech. Certainly what Louisiana went through as a result of Hurricaines Katrina & Rita was FAR WORSE than what our country now now. The loss of lives and loss to infrastructure represents an unimaginable tragedy.
Sure Jindahl's delivery wasn't perfectly fluid at all times, and yes, his voice and Louisiana accent probably sound "odd" to our super-sensitive, ultra-sophisticated, East-Coast-corridor ears. And maybe his faith in the American people even sounded a bit corny to conservative intellectual elites.
But come on, Amanda, are THESE the things that matter most? The guy is SINCERE. And he knows what works. Let's stay focused on what really matters-- inspiring the voters with our renewed commitment to restoring faith in our country, putting people back to work, rebuilding our business and public works infrastructure, and restoring integrity in the government and public service sector. |
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I agree completely with Ann. Well said!
Maybe we all should have voted 'american idol' style on the whole event!
Yup...Barry gives a better speech. But Amanda, it's the MEAT that matters, not the style.
You might as well set up an American Idol-type system to pick the next GOP nominee for Prez.
Then we can get rid of these cheesy brown guys who strike you as dorky.
Hang it up, sister. You've had too much of the kool-aid.
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I think its so funny when people get so mad that their responses devolve into absolute gibberish that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
See "Eagle eye's" last post for a prime example of this-complete with sputtering and calling me a "MF."
Yes Jindal was a utter dissaster and now the cons are sad because they are running out of golden idols. You can see all the excuses above made for him by all the seniors who still feel that TV is new medium and stagecraft isn't important.
Snort.
Obama's speech in the words of Obama Crtitic charles krauthammer was "Grand and Reaganesque."
Not a single Republican pundit is calling Jindal Reaganesque. that must really, really, get you all where you live(in some cases that being under a bridge) |
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This wasn't the usual Jindal. Anyone who has seen him speak before is aware that he is an exceptional speaker. For whatever reason, he didn't perform well last night. I am certain he will do better in the future. Obama was not 'Reaganesque' as advertised. How could a lefty be that anyway? He delivered one platitude after another with no specifics while scolding us. Obama wasn't effective either, except among stupid people perhaps, who likely did not watch Jindal. We/Jindal are no worse off than 24 hours ago. |
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funny how children hate being scolded while adults face mistakes. You post speaks volumes on this regard but as you seem to be so deep in denial this shouldn't matter too much at least for you and people of your ilk.
Chairman Steele says that in order for the GOP to make a comeback they must first admit and face past sins. Good luck with that mikey-try telling a republican he's been wrong about anything!
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I am pleased that you were amused. LOL
Like they say, if you are taking flak, you know you are over the target. Therefore, your criticism is most welcome. |
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Let's face it, little Bobby's response sucked balls. He's the face of the GOP, all right. And as a Democrat, I'm happy that he is. |
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Well said! The liberal trolls are absolutely gleeful at our nitpicking. Jindal is an intelligent and principled conservative who will be judged by the progress in LA. Hopefully, when he's ready to run for president (probably not until 2016) there will still be some people left in this country who will choose substance over style.
And as to the "brilliance" of Obama speech even the AP is critical of it. See: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29377101/ |
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I guess your flak analogy applies evenly across the board to those such as obama. He must REALLY be on the right track then!!!!
Did you even listen to what Jindal says? methinks not.
Otherwise you would not be so quick to endorse a man who said just last night that Katrina is the perfect example of how government has failed us. Nice one. bush goes under the bus along with the entire fed. Yes its good that Jindal feels he can use this incident to build bridges but reall? Katrina is the best example he's got? Isn't that what the ems have been saying?
Jindal also said that the GOP is no longer trusted but you should trust them anyways because they are determined to offer the same "solutions" you've been hearing about since Goldwater. Methinks that's not going to sell the american people on a party it no longer trusts.
Yeah the delivery was bad but the content was even worse. |
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if he and Palin are the future of the GOP, GOP RIP. Letting the small brains run the party, based on fear, religious mumbo jumbo, and prejudice.
I suggest you all read about how the GOP dealt with the great depression to see what is going to happen to this GOP. Notice people like Romney are AWOL. |
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Frankie wrote:
"allen is clearly insane"
"I just saw his last off the wall post where according to him Joe Biden made 47 gaffes during his Palin debate but you won't hear about them because they were covered up by the liberal Press.
47 gaffes? you are an indiot and certainly can't prove than even in your fantasy world.
EVery time I think you hit the bottom of the crazy barrel you surpise me by managing to sink eve lower."
Frank obviously cannot read or even watch TV his 47 gaffs were reported on FOX news by both Democrats and Republican contributors, Worldnetdaily, newsmax, here on Townhall.com, all of townhall's radio shows, and realclearpolitics. Anyone with a third grade reading level could have found this info if they were really interested in the truth.
Frank next writes:
"You have yet to make a dent in a single argument-yours is the worst kind of wishful thinking derived from fantasy not fact."
Yeah right Frank keep living in your dream world, anyone who reads your posts against mine will know that you got your A** kicked.
I told you before you wanna take me on, then bring it. Because you offer nothing more than leftist B.S. Bring it on! |
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